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CanadianGuy

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A cure, sort-of
« on: October 12, 2011, 03:09:03 PM »
Hey Everyone,

I've only posted here once before to introduce myself.  (Attached my first post below so you know my story)

I suffer very much the same thing everyone here has but I really have discovered something that helped me.  After doing the medical/frustration route for years I finally decided to start looking into other options and started looking into Testosterone as a possible help.  In Canada it's almost impossible to get help in this area unless your T levels are ridiculously low.  Although I did find out that my T levels were about normal for a man 30 years older than me, our medical system still wouldn't do anything about it.  So, I sucked it up and started reading body-building sites and really trying to get to the bottom about Testosterone and its side affects.  Anyways, for me, eventually the possibility of a cure eventually outweighed the possible side affects and I went for it. 

Obviously even getting it was a big obstacle in itself, but eventually I managed to get some Testosterone Enanthate and Testosterone Propionate.  Without going into to much detail the results of a 10 week "cycle" were amazing.  I went on a very low dose compared to almost any body builder but quite high compared to a gel or some other T-replacement therapies I've been reading about.  I'm not going to pretend I'm a doctor or anything but I did do my research.  Anyways, my sex drive went from being non-existent to extremely high, as high as when I was 18 and my body used to produce these levels naturally.  My orgasms started to have feeling again, but not to the same levels they used to, but sex became absolutely amazing.  For the first time in years I was truly looking at woman sexually again.  It changed my life, my attitude and my confidence.  Suddenly sex became so much more intense and passionate and I couldn't get enough.  It's really hard to actually describe what a difference it made; the best way for me to explain is that it was like it used to be when I was younger.  I felt "whole" again. 

The other side affect was mood.  I don't really consider myself a moody person but I do tend to ruminate about things and think a lot, but definitely wouldn't consider myself clinically depressed.  I have a good life and a professional job that I enjoy, but on Testosterone it felt like I came out from behind a cloud!  Suddenly everything seemed more vibrant, I wasn't as tired as often, and I smiled more and spent a lot less time thinking about things that don't really need to be thought about.  In fact, I suddenly felt like one of those motivational speakers.  I also had energy, always looking at the bright side, always wanting to go out an do things!  I'm sure some people may come to the conclusion that I'm just a depressed person and this fixed it.  I disagree, but even if that's the case I'm surprised Testosterone isn't used as a possible treatment for severe depression, considering all the potential long term side affects of ssri's and such.  (Like EA) 

Anyways, the key here is that I felt better in pretty much every way.  At first I was having trouble sleeping but I quickly realized it was because on T I only needed 6 or 7 hours of sleep vs. my regular 8 or 9.  Once I had that sorted out I felt fantastic, really.  The "sort-of" clause is that the one thing that wasn't completely 100% better was my orgasms.  They did feel better for sure, but not like they used to.  Regardless though, sex in general was a completely different experience and any hang ups I might have had over the last few years about my ea went out the window.   When the T wore off I was worried that I might suffer from a whip-like effect and get much worse than I was before, but I'm happy to say it wasn't the case.  In fact, because my whole mood and outlook had been so fantastic for so long (10 weeks) I think my mind had sort of reset itself in a certain sense.  Sex was still better, and although my sex drive did go down for a coupe weeks (While my body was starting to produce it's own T again), overall I still felt better. 

Anyways, this was all happening over the last year since I posted.  I've really been cautious about the whole thing but still am not sure how I feel about being on T all the time.  I only did the one cycle and have still been trying to get things going through the medical system, to no avail.  I can say one thing though: I didn't experience any of the side affects you hear about in the negative sense.  No "roid Rage" or anything else, but who knows what might happen in the future of course.  I did gain a lot of muscle mass over the 10 weeks but I've always been very fit.  I found that even with lots of exercise this still faded away over the last year as my own bodies supply of T is obviously not high enough to maintain it.  Finally, I checked my T levels 5 times over the last 2 years and although still low, they haven't changed a bit since this experiment.  It appears my body was completely able to regain it's previous production levels. 

So, in conclusion, take this for what it's worth.  I am by no means "healed", but I have experienced a truly life-changing period while on Testosterone.  I know this is a bit of a taboo subject but I hope to hear if anyone else had any similar experiences on Testosterone replacement therapy or similar.  Have a great day people and I wish you the best.  We're all in this together,

CanadianGuy




.............................My Original Post..........................


I can see you've all heard a similar story before BUT....

WOW!  I've been dealing with this for almost 6 years and have found virtually nothing bout this problem until stumbling on the hisandher site last night and now this board....

I'm 32 and used to have very, very, good orgasms and very good sex life until about 25 years of age.  I think this makes it worse because I can remember what it's supposed to be like.

Around 25 I started noticing that sex drive was same but started feeling less pleasure sensation from sex and orgasm.  This worried me a bit but wasn't too bad.  Unfortunately started slowly getting worse and worse over the years and I started seeing doctors more and more up here in Canada.  3 years ago I saw sexual specialist who said it may be in my head and sent me to: Sexual Psychologist, who said I'm actually as fine and self aware as almost anyone she's ever spoke to.  Nice to hear after seeing about 10 doctors over 2 years who treated me VERY poorly much as other people seem to have experienced. (Didn't believe, all in your head, getting older, etc. etc..)  Anyways, then back to specialist who was now more receptive.  Next visited series of specialists including Neuro, urologist, etc. etc..  Even saw a specialist physio who spent a half hour with her finger up my bum and said that I need to learn to relax down there but NO ONE had ever heard of this and although many of them had treated woman often, none had ever even had a male complain about anything other than not getting hard.  (Which was never a problem for me but now I'm feeling less hard in the last year, probably because my sensation has almost disappeared completely)

So anyways, I've continued to see various doctors but have been on wait list for endocrinologist for almost 4 years and have generally decided that I'm not getting any help from doctors.  Funny note though, I was recommended by the sexual psychologist (Dr. Lauri Brotto in VAncouver, BC, who was amazing) to go see Dr. Irwin Goldwin (I think I messed up hs name) in the States as well.  (I noticed his name mentioned a couple times)  I'm a public employee and don't make much money so this isn't really an option but seems like he's a focal point for all of this.  Anyways, I've also tried various things on my own such as 5htp and eat and live a very healthy lifestyle.  Everything tested so far has come back normal, testosterone, blood levels, everything.

So, I've been pretty damn frustrated but happy to at least see there are other people out there like me, even if very few and no solutions.  I hadn't really put too much thought into all of this in the last few months but then had a really active sex life recently with various partners who I had a connection with.  In one case I really liked the girl: She's gorgeous in every way, beyond gorgeous really, also hot and sexy.  : )  Anyways, she's confident, successful, sexually adventurous and very attracted to me.  It really made me remember just how much this is affecting me.  I'd love to have a relationship with this woman but my loss of pleasure really is affecting my sex drive now.  I felt like I was putting on a show almost and felt a bit false.  many will say, just be honest, but I've tried that and the woman are always confused, hurt, less turned on knowing that I don't feel pleasure.  I know people will say that I should just keep looking for a woman who understands, but that's not the issue.  Girls want to make us feel good, just like we want to make them feel good.  When that's not possible it seems to really kill the relationship fast. (But maybe you all will understand this better than most people...)

So, I've stared thinking about this all again and am looking for answers, once again.  After years of research on my own I'm suspecting this may be testosterone related even though I'm "normal" but at the low end of the spectrum.  (I was always VERY testosteron "ish" when younger so am very sure that my levels have dropped a lot over the years)  Anyways, after years of frustration trying to see an Endocrinologist I've actually resorted getting my own supply of Testosterone Enanthate (injections) and will be trying that in the new year.  Has anyone else had experience with testosterone replacement other than patches and gels? (Which after perusing hundreds of posts I'm convinced are useless as they don't bring the levels up high enough.  Many sites for men with low testosterone levels but seems a different thing than this)  Anyways, I'll let you know how that goes and if I experience any good results.  In the meantime, here are my "stats" for everyone's interest.  There are some similarities to other members so you may find this interesting:

32 year old male
Do have Low circulation in hands and feet as well
Poor sleeper, always have been
Never been diagnosed with depression or been on any drugs but definitely feel a lot less happy and energetic than I used to (but this could be from just getting older)
Very fit and athletic and eat very well but have lost some muscle mass even though I train regularly.
In the last 4-6 years distinctly remember a gradual loss of sensation/pleasure with contact in penis and also much of the rest of my body as well.  Skin seems dryer, rougher and less sensitive but not extremely bad.
Circumcision later in life (10 years old maybe)
Allergies - hay fever and have been experiencing mysterious itchy hands and feet at night and in mornings that I thought was a totally separate issue but may be connected as I noticed other people have rashes etc..
Most interesting for me was reference to lack of emotion.  I've always been convinced that I'm emotionally numb when it comes to love and adoration etc..  I'm completely capable of most other emotions and actually had to deal with a lot of anger and frustration as a teenager, but who doesn't.  But key is that I always felt like I don't love others the same way they love me.  Even though I had a perfect childhood and nothing to complain about I often feel like if someone in my life passed away I'd get over it pretty quickly.  I've been really focusing on this in recent years and am trying to have more meaningful, fulfilling, relationships with people but thought this worth mentioning.  Edit - I'd say this isn't so much the case because I've come to realize many men feel this way but woman often feel emotions and that was the baseline I was comparing myself to.  Don't really think there's anything wrong with me anymore as I'm not in a full and good relationship with a loving partner.

Hope knowing there's another person out there who understands at least makes everyone feel a bit better.  Merry Christmas all!

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Re: A cure, sort-of
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2011, 06:45:23 PM »
I can see why you've been so long on wait list, seeing a "specialist" here in canada takes months minimum.

i really don't understand the hype about these doctors here winning nobel medicine prizes and stuff when they are so clueless
about some problems.
i think doctors back in my country were somewhat better, not to mention the wait was short.

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Re: A cure, sort-of
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2011, 07:19:38 PM »
well, here goes my opinion. since you seem to be a bit newbie, i recommend you to read lots
and lots of information before taking anything for granted.
most people have struggled with this for years and years, and the general consensus seems to be that there is
no cure (not for the people who were born this way, not for the people that developed it through some
other means, one of them being finasteride, which I spent 3 years taking myself.)

there are many chemical castration products out there, and as a person who works out, if you think about
it, even many of the products that are sold over the counter as gym supplements can affect your libido.
i know because i've used so many stuff that just upon first day of use would already make me totally incapable
to even ejaculate, let alone have orgasm.

i've tried so many things, I compiled a list of things, though only a minority of them have worked, and only for some time,
after a while all of them seem to wear off.

the best one seemed to be fresh royal jelly, though a few others have been good they never sustain
the improvement over a long time (most of the effective things will wear off in less than 1 month apparently).

the problem seems to be so complex that we tend to speculate and speculate, and never get even close to
a practical solution, it's hard to control all factors involved in the problem, so that even when we try some
treatments we may be misled by many unnoticed variables.
i did blood tests too, and though my levels are not above the 3rd quartile, they are all within the normal range.
that may be a factor. i thought my problem may be high estrogen, but this solution wasn't lasting either (it's actualy
hard to tell the goodness of attempted solutions when your body is being influenced by so many different drugs at a time.)

there's a lot of info for you to read, if you care, on the propecia website (if you ever used any anti hair loss
products? if you did, most of these as I said are chemical castration, minoxidil, finasteride, saw palmetto, some
people claim only one day on them will at times screw you up for many years, if not for the rest of your life.)
though in my case i'm not exactly sure what the culprit is. i can have orgasms, not normally, but when i play
with some supplements that take me back to normal for a few days before vanishing again i can.

as of late i have become so intrigued by the problem that i started to suspect that maybe just working out itself
might be causing EA, even if you're free from the effects of all the different drugs you've played with.
this is unlikely, but a possibility.
it's either we're getting old (unlikely), or we used some crap whose effect is lingering permanently and that has
no known antidote.

here's a check list of possible cures I tried in the last few years (may not be totally accurate).

L-Tyrosine (didn't work for me)
Lecithin=> doesn't work
Niacinamide=> don't know
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
Choline=> doesn't work
Inositol=> don't know
Tribulus Terristris=> works a bit for sometime (only libido, not orgasm)
GABA ("Now" brand)=>improves a bit orgasm and libido, but not too much, not for long
GABA Plus Twinlab=>worked a bit, not great though
Zeus=>increases sperm amount and libido a bit
L-Theanine=> doesn't work
Zinc=> don't know if works, trying right now (maybe have tried in the past too, doesn't work)
Vitamin D=>don't know
Vitamin E=>don't know
Gingko Biloba=>works a bit for some time
DHEA=>don't know (increases DHT, which is responsible for sexual drive)
Alpha lipoic acid=>doesn't work
Omega-3=>don't know
Cod liver oil=>nope
Testosterone gel=>didn't seem to work for me, but I didn't take it for long
Bupropion=> seems to work, but don't know how long for, since it makes you totally sleepless
5-HTP (doesn't seem to work)
Complexo B (doesn't seem to work)
Produto para ativar a Thyroid (doesn't work)
Twinlab GABA o work)
chinese Royal Jelly+Jinseng in bottlesdoesn't work
ECE (ecklonia cava extract) (doesnt work)
horny goat weed (doesnt work)
Arimedex (did work for about 3 weeks, great orgasms and libido)
D-aspartic acid (test force 2 - e-pharm) (I don't think it worked, but not sure)
Maca (still trying)

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Re: A cure, sort-of
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 07:28:50 PM »
I forgot 2 others:

Novaldex (anti-estrogen): won't recover your sex drives or orgasms

fresh royal jelly (best thing I ever tried, effects lasted for 5 months, strong libido,
great orgasms, but can wear off if used constantly, which I did for almost 6 months.)
as of late, I noticed than on an ad hoc basis, when i take royal jelly i always become very horny,
though orgasm won't be necessarily great.
at first few months of use, orgasms would be great too...

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Re: A cure, sort-of
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2011, 07:13:04 PM »
@CanadianGuy

I'm not familiar with what a "cycle" is, or includes. Could you provide details?

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Re: A cure, sort-of
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2011, 08:52:41 PM »
In Canada it's almost impossible to get help in this area unless your T levels are ridiculously low. 
One day I was experimenting with some stuff and got a ridiculously low reading on a testosterone test. I don't know all that I was doing. It got me to thinking that this would be useful for precisely the case above - forcing a low reading so that you could get a doctor to do something.

There are probably lots of ways to make sure you fail a testosterone test. Seems like one decent thread below at elite fitness.

Ketoconazole tablets
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/57/4/732.short


Birth control pills
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/how-do-i-fail-testosterone-test-641747-4.html#post8896157


People also say a good drunk the night before works.

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Re: A cure, sort-of
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 05:12:04 PM »
Hey Everyone,

I've been privately advised by members not to go into too much detail so I won't.  Needless to say, everything you could ever want to know is easily found on thousands of bodybuilding websites.  There really is a ton of good information out there, you just have to sort through the BS. 

In response to the T-level test.  I actually did try all the things I've read about to get a particularily low level but none of them work.  In fact, the night before a test I intentionally got hammered with friends and avoided sleeping all night.  My tests the next day were low, exactly as low as the last time I got tested.  lol.  Haven't tried any pills though so that's interesting information, thanks.  It's so frustrating at times dealing with the medical system but I really do want to do this the right way, unfortunately that's seeming impossible, especially in the Atlantic East Coast.

Dave


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Re: A cure, sort-of
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 07:31:04 PM »
I've been privately advised by members not to go into too much detail so I won't. 
Worried that the gummint will get after you? You could play the game they play at other sites. Tell us about what your friend named SWIM (Someone Who Isn't Me) tried.

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Re: A cure, sort-of
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2011, 07:36:31 AM »
im on gel ive been on patches and inj  inj put it in to fast and it converts to estrogen you need it to be released slowly like in real life patches are best it hasnt helped my orgasms though ... it just causes youre own supply to shut down more its a loop system .. my orgasms went crap when i reached puberty so testosterone isnt to do with it children orgasm